This is what is so great about freedom of speech...

People can see for themselves how selfish and misguided this 'religious group' is with their own eyes.

You will notice they aren't holding up any pictures of the hundreds of thousands of men women and children killed from the religious crusades....oops, I mean 'wars' we are involved in.

If you were being attacked by an ax-murderer, would you want to be ignored, or would you want the alarm to be sounded and someone to come save you from vivisection and dismemberment? Helpless innocent babies deserve protection. And the vile nature of abortion is due to the butchery doctors, not the people who are spreading the truth about what they do-- as can also be seen at 100abortionpictures.com, abortionno.org, or just google 'abortion pictures' to see the truth. Ignorance is bliss only when the chopping isn't happening to your body.

"And the vile nature of abortion is due to the butchery doctors"

Wrong, the vile nature of abortion is due to the fact that there are women out there that want the procedure done. If the doctors weren't available, these women would find a way to have the procedure done.

The desire to do evil does not justify the evil. If someone wants to kill you badly enough, they could find a way. Would that justify your untimely demise, just becase somebody 'wanted the procedure done?'

These signs should be allowed. It is a simple freedom of speech and right to protest. Freedom of speech is in place to protect unpopular speech. It is not for the discussion of hot weather. We already have enough of our rights taken away over the last decade. Take the airport for example......you have no protection under the 4th amendment of search and seizure. The TSA can do whatever they please and you the citizen has no course of action.

Really...you should let it go.

If you don't like abortion pictures, don't look at them.

Randy, the same message can be said to you. If you don't like abortions, don't have one.

If you don't want your spouse to have one, then you better make sure she doesn't get pregnant.

Logansdad finally had an intelligent thought. He realizes that if people don't want to face a pregancy, they shouldn't cause one. That realization is the beginning of a sense of responsiblity. Congratulations! It's also known as 'exercising self control.'

Wrong. We get people all the time saying "Thanks for the pictures. I (or my sister, etc.) now knows what abortion is, and is cancelling their abortion mill appointment." Also, people stop by with kids to show us 5 or 6 or 7 years later whose life we saved. They are the most appreciative of all. You may not have the ethics or compassion to save your own child from a gruesome death, but plenty of decent people out there save their kids when the abortion pictures educate them about what abortion actually is.

Have you taken your children to the nearest slaughterhouse to see what is in their favorite hamburger too? No? Why not?

I highly doubt the graphic posters he saw at 7 yrs old made him "a staunch opponent of abortion" as an adult, it was the closed minded, bitterness of his elders that taught him that. Most people don't believe in abortion, it is child abuse and there are options. Those who do believe have a right to feel that way. It's not parent outrage that the children are reacting to, it's the sad fact that cold hearted, unintelligent, out for shock value people are standing on the corner shoving something in to their eyes they are too young to see.

Years ago my daughter (now teenaged) saw these horrifying protestors and she still talks about the graphic pictures she couldn't help seeing as we were stuck at a red light. Her current view is that she would never choose abortion herself, but she respects others' rights. The protestors helped sway her opinion from being staunchly anti-abortion because those people were so clearly UNHINGED, and my daughter began to question the stance of anyone who would do something so horrifying. She still brings them up, and brings up the young male protestor who appeared to be only a few years older than herself who was holding a particularly graphic sign and staring down at the ground, miserable. I also question the mental health of anyone who feels graphic demonstrations regarding abortion work towards a positive end of any kind. Think about what you're trying to achieve rather than organizing a nauseating freak show of shock value intolerance.

Rose,
Abortion is not an easy decision for some mothers to make. I wonder how many pro life advocates would raise a child for the next 18 years that would otherwise be aborted. Most conservatives don't believe in abortion but they also don't want mothers on welfare and food stamps either. Why is ist that conservatives only care about children from conception to the time they are born?

Rose is right and the selfish whiners responding to her below don't understand the truth of the matter. The pictures are unpleasant for today, and educate positively for tomorrow. The guy who wants abortion protesters to support the kids saved after they are born doesn't understand the kids are the responsibility of the people who make them. He, for instance, doesn't stop by to help take care of my kids. Ditto for any of the other false arguers who try to say abortion protesters are somehow magically supposed to take care of the kids they save. In reality the responsiblity accrues to their parents in the first, middle, and last place.

A slaughterhouse tour would be very informative and educational. When my kids were little I took them to the cadaver lab at a local medical school to see what happens to people when they are dismembered, etc. My son became a biology major and my daughter became a doctor. Kids can learn a lot of useful information if only you try. That's why it's a good idea to teach kids the uncivilized reality of abortion, and a picture is worth a thousand words.

Well said Rose!

Nice cherry picking there Rose.

Abortions have been documented for over 5000 years. Slightly longer than 1973.

I get that your religion gives you the dogma for you to form your opinions off of, but you are talking about the reproductive rights of other living people. Frankly, you have no standing to dictate how they are to live.

The correct term you are looking for is 'cognitive dissonance', not double standard. And of course I wouldn't expect a child to understand it, as they have not emotionally and mentally developed enough in order to do so. An adult, on the other hand, not only needs to understand the concept of cognitive dissonance, they need to be able to hold 2 contradictory views in many instances throughout their life. This necessary and beneficial ability usually develops in mid to late adolescence.

Nobody 'likes' abortions, anymore than they 'like' chemotherapy. But mentally and emotionally well-developed people understand the reasons that both of them need to exist. I imagine you would find it problematic if a christian scientist tried 'protesting' that chemotherapy was somehow 'evil', and should be illegal based on nothing but the religious beliefs of a small group of people.

It really is this simple;

If you don't want an abortion, then don't get one.
That's all you have control over, and rightly so.

If the logic behind the demonstration is to use shock value images of a procedure's reality to sway opinion, then Tim's logic is sound. Hamburgers are incredibly unhealthy and contribute to more than one of our nation's top health problems. Protect your families in a more direct way than saying, "eat healthy" and take them to the slaughterhouse, using the shock value images of realism you're defending to make your argument. None of us are going to change our minds regarding pro-choice or anti-choice on this thread, but maybe we can better understand why nauseatingly graphic images have no place in our community, regardless of our differing stances.

Why is the life of a child more important than the life of an animal?Both are God's creatures. If you believe in God, you have to believe all life is precious.

Hey Tim, nice circumlocution except you are just meandering. And, if you don't like murders, don't do any. Who are you to tell anybody whether they have the right to vivisect and dismember you? "Frankly, you have no standing to dictate how they are to live." It's their private decision, isn't it-- unless you are honest enough to confess hypocrisy. According to your 'philosophy,' you don't have the right to tell the other guy what to do, so what's wrong with them exercising their interests over you? Murders have been documented for over 5000 years, so what's wrong if you are on the receiving end of one?

Jake,
Do you honestly believe that a 15 yr. old is mentally capable to have her unborn child brutally destroyed?
You would need to listen to the stories of women who have had abortions at a young age who now are guilt ridden and despondent over the child or children they thought were better off dead.

Stories like these nine women, Rose?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2006/oct/27/healthandwellbeing.society

Not a single one is 'guilt-ridden' or despondent about it. Including many in their teens. In fact, the common thread in the stories is how OTHERS tried to make them feel this way because of their own beliefs.

You need to realize that this 'guilt' you speak of is the tool of your religion. It is not a natural outcome of an abortion. It is only an outcome of how these women are treated by fundamentalists who wish to control their reproductive lives for them.

Similarly, guilt is the tool these protesters are using. And if you have to use emotional shock tactics to try to get your point across, it shows a very poorly thought out position. You are going to have a hard time not being pitied by people who use their rational mind, instead of the emotional abuse the protesters are trying to use and perpetuate.

Yes, I feel pity for these protesters. In their narrow, cherry picked world, they surely feel they are in the right. And if this narrow world actually existed anywhere but in their minds, they would be right. Unfortunately for them, the world is a much more complex, and beautiful place. I feel pity that they will never see the beauty in the world they are missing out on.

Do you honestly believe that a 15 year old should have to carry a child that was FORCED upon her? If you really believe that then clearly YOU are the one who needs to go talk to people about it first hand, being someone who has stood alongside friends in a very similar situation i can guarantee you that if they were not able to abort they would have never treated that child right, if you are okay with forcing a child to live with raising another child that was forced upon them then YOU are the sick individual. Maybe you're family or friends have never been stricken with the burden of sexual abuse and for that you should thank god because sadly in the real world its not as simple as "okay just have the baby that you beaten and abused to conceive"

Jake, was abortion their only option?

Yes she was 16, weighed about 85 pounds soaking wet she was told by the doctors that even if she tried to keep it there is little chance of her body supporting it.

The baby born of rape is 100% innocent. No system of justice executes the innocent. You are yourself undoubtedly the product of rape, because of your 1,024 great(9x)grandmothers, several were undoubtedly raped. If they had killed the baby, your mom or dad never would have existed, and you would not have been born either. If you really think it's OK to kill for rape, you will have to start with yourself. Until you do, your 'argument' is thus demonstrated as hollow hypocrisy with no merit whatever. AND the 15-year-old has thousands of eager families out there willing to adopt today. Just look in the phone book under 'adoption.' Further, your entire premise is bogus because of all abortions, only 2% or less are done after a rape.

"No system of justice executes the innocent"

You are wrong with that statement. There is documentation that the US criminal justice system has executed via lethal injection innocent people.

So Randy, tell me how many babies have you raised that otherwise would have been aborted. Why do you simply wipe your hands clean after you stop a woman from having an abortion?

Logansdad- Our "system of justice" isn't a system of justice when it executes the innocent, as (yes) has happened. It's a huge failure of a flawed system, and needs fixing. The flaw in your attempted argument is that a failure in one area (executing innocent adults) doesn't justify executing innocent babies. Nice try though. I think even you can see the comparison isn't really a comparison. ////// How many saved babies have I raised? All the ones I am responsible for, which is none. Their parents are 100% responsible for the consequences of their actions, and I am zero percent responsible. To avoid your being a hypocrite, how many children of other people have you raised? Why don't you come over and help take care of my kids? Why don't you come over and mow my lawn and wash my dishes? Answer: because you know those things are my responsiblity, not yours. And, you know the kids saved are the responsiblity of the parents who made them, not my responsibility. That's why your question is phony from the beginning.

Now suddenly out system of justice needs fixing. I thought you didnt care about the criminals being put to death. Nice way to talk out both sides of your mouth.

You call me a phony, but you are the one advocating for saving a life but then having no desire to take care of it once it is born. You simply wash your hands clean of the problem. Pretend you did your good deed for the day. Well the baby is not going to take care of itself just because it was brought into this world. Someone has to take care of it. If the mother can't, shouldnt it be her decision what to with the fetus. Why are you dictating to the mother what she should do with the fetus?

You can't call me a hypcrite because I am advocating for a woman to make her own decisions. If she chooses to have an abortion, that is her decision - one that she will have to live with. I am not the one advocating for a child to be born and then having no concerns about what happens afterwards like you are doing.

Your kids are your responsibility. I am not telling you how to raise your children. Just like I wouldnt want you telling me how to raise mine. Just like I wont tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. If you can't raise a child, you shouldn't have one in the first place.

"And, you know the kids saved are the responsiblity of the parents who made them, not my responsibility."

As I said before, all you care about is doing your good deed for the day by preventing an abortion. If a child can't be brought into this world and raise properly, then why bring him/her into the world at all? If you are the one telling women to have their baby, you should hold some responsibility for that child. After all she listened to you and decided to keep it. You were responsible for her changing her mind.

Logansdad-- the issue is that people guilty of murder deserve to be executed, and people who are innocent (like babies in the womb) deserve to NOT be butchered. You are trying to fuzz that disctinction, and not very well. The only people responsible for the kids are the parents who made them. Saving a baby doesn't mean you or I are supposed to take care of the kid-- it is the parents' responsiblity. Or the rapist's for the 1% of the time kids result from rape. Do you come to my house to take care of my kids, or mow my lawn, or wash my dishes? No, because you know you are wrong. You know my dishes and my kids, and my lawn are my responsiblity. Ditto for other people's kids, which is why you aren't taking care of them either. Your hypocrisy shows more and more the more you try to deny it. Abortion is NOT an issue of a woman's body, because she isn't the one being cut on. That's why the murder moms don't feel the pain of the abortion, but their kids do. If murder moms had to have even a cubic inch cut from their arm or leg, i.e. their actual body, there would be a lot fewer abortions. Any doubts? Let's see you let abortionists ply their trade on your body. But you won't-- just your murderous hypocrisy speaking, again.

Logansdad-- when we talk people into saving their kids, they are very grateful they were led to realize the horror of the mistake they were about to make. Whether they say "Thanks, I'm cancelling my Planned Parenthood/abortion mill appointment" or whether they come back 5 years later with a kid we saved years ago, not once do they ask for money. On the other hand, we are offered money all the time by people grateful for our volunteer work. Only a diseased mind would try to attach a monetary value to trying to save a human life. Is there a price you are willing to pay on your head to keep yourself alive in the face of imminent butchery? Human life, and human kindness, are priceless. What is your life worth, in dollar terms?

"the issue is that people guilty of murder deserve to be executed, and people who are innocent (like babies in the womb) deserve to NOT be butchered. You are trying to fuzz that disctinction"

I am not trying to fuzz that distinction. You claimed to be pro-life. Taking a life is taking a life. You are not pro-life, you are just anti-abortion.

"The only people responsible for the kids are the parents who made them."

Yes and that means you have no say in what the mother does with her fetus.

"Saving a baby doesn't mean you or I are supposed to take care of the kid-- it is the parents' responsiblity."

If you want to save the baby, then you have some responsibility in raising it. You can't simply wash your hands once the baby is born. That is the trouble with Republicans/Conservatives, you are so concerned with children - children from the time they are conceived to the time they are born. After that you can care less what happens to them. Since you want the kid to be brought into this world, you do have some responsibility in what happens to it. I am sorry that you can't see that.

Most abortions are down before 12 weeks. The fetus is not fully developed and would not be able to survive outside the womb anyway. I don't understand how you can say this is a baby with arms and legs.

I agree that isnt right to do, i don't condone people getting abortions just because they don't want the kid, but if there is a medical justification or if it is the result of sexual abuse then i feel they should be able to do it

It isn't **

Yes, no matter what your viewpoints may be these demonstrations are over the line

What my mother chose is none of your business. Suffice it to say, you are wrong.

If religion does not define your stance, where are you getting the idea that an unborn baby is 'alive'? Someone told you this idea at some point along the line for you to integrate it into your personal belief structure, specifically the black and white distinction that abortion = evil... always. Where did this idea come to you from?

You claim religion has nothing to do with your beliefs, and yet you post a link to a site that is run by catholic priests?

Domain Name:SILENTNOMOREAWARENESS.ORG
Registrant Name:Frank Pavone
Registrant Organization:Priests for Life
Registrant Street1:PO Box 141172
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Staten Island
Registrant State/Province:New York

This is why I feel pity. How can you claim to know what is best for everyone else, when you aren't even aware where the ideas in your own mind originally came from?

Tim, the problem is there is too many close minded people who haven't experienced enough of life to understand that life is not just black and white.

Everyone has a story Rose, everyone also has regrets - big and small. People's choices are just that - their own. If they choose to drink and do drugs because of their abortion, than so be it. Excuses, excuses for every addict - that's part of the disease. No one will never know if it's truly because of abortion. This website - well, Catholics seem to think it's okay to guilt people, blame people and be holier than all others. Some of their own priests can't control themselves and their actions. Yes, an unborn baby is indeed alive, but, a woman has a right to choose in this country. God (or whatever you believe) will do the final judgement. I do not agree with aboration, but I would never condem a woman who felt there was no alternative. I can tell you do have a caring heart Rose, but a woman or 15yr old in trouble is scared and can't find a caring heart to lean on. A protester with a graffic sign isn't helping them. Terrifying a 5 year old isn't a caring heart. It makes themselves feel good, and guilt others around them. Little do they know they look like fools.

Rose, your right a "true woman" defends her child, born or unborn. You protect them from harm, the harm that is caused when an already immature mind is forced to grow up with the reality that their life is over at 16 because their pregnant. Adoption is an option, but is it an option for a child who's parents have said if she comes home pregnant she'll be kicked out? Is it an option for at 16 year old who will have to quit school or go to an alternative school because close-minded school administrators and teachers believe pregnancy is contagious? What right do people have to make decisions for others and what right do you have to decide who is a true woman?

Have you asked infertile couples how difficult and expensive it is to adopt? Why have so many couples turned to foreign countries? It is easy to say abortion is WRONG. I am Pro-Life. So sorry you are Pro-Infanticide. Trying to clean up your culture of death by hiding behind the label "Pro-Choice" is just moral cowardice.

Adopting a child is not like adopting a puppy. The adoption process should be expensive in my opinion to weed out those that are unfit to raise a child and to make sure the child is going into a home with loving parents.

I am not pro-infanticide. I believe a woman has the right to choose to an abortion if that is what she wants. It is her decision - not mine, not yours. She is the one that will have to live with her decision and be judged for it.

Do you think your job as a pro-life supporter ends when a mother decides to deliver her baby, but doesnt want to raise it?

The baby is 100% innocent and 100% the responsiblity of his or her parents. Not you or me. Do you come to my place to feed my family, mow my lawn, or wash my dishes? Of course not, because you know taking care of my family is MY responsiblity. Your argument is totally bogus. And, it isn't a woman's 'right' to choose to kill the baby in her, because the baby is another person. The baby feels the pain of the abortion-- not the murder mom. If abortions went with a cubic-inch of tissue removal of the woman's actual body, like her arm or leg so that she would first feel the pain of abortion's vivisection, there would be a lot fewer abortions. Any doubts? Let's see you let the corrupt abortion doctors cut on your arm or your leg a little. Are you willing to try the 'medicine' your recommend for others? I thought not. That's what hypocrites are always like-- not liking a dose of their own medicine.

If people would stop for a prolonged discussion, the pictures could be dispensed with. Most people are in a hurry, and so the pictures are worth a thousand words to convey the evils of abortion in a few brief seconds as people drive by. They save lives all the time, with women and relatives stopping by to say "Thanks. Now that I (or my sister, etc.) realizes what abortion is, we are cancelling our Planned Parenthood/abortion mill appointment." People also stop by with kids to say "Thanks. I saw your pictures 5 years ago (or whatever) and now I have my kid who I would have killed otherwise. Thanks for saving me from a stupid abortion mistake that would have haunted me forever otherwise." The gruesome pictures ARE education, counseling, and support that is vitally needed AND efficiently supplied in the few seconds people have when they are driving by, or the few minutes they have to look when stopped on a red light. For all you know, your mother saw an abortion picture and therefore decided to save you, and was too ashamed to ever tell you that she had previously thought of killing you out of her womb.

I've never argued that this group is doing something illegal or should be stopped by the police. I do stand by my opinion that this group is doing something unethical, counterproductive to their alleged purpose, and nauseating. I'm amazed that any educated, intelligent, caring individual would feel this approach best suits any agenda. That's not a personal attack, but my honest opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree on this subject. (And please understand that I wasn't serious in my earlier post regarding driving by again with children. I wouldn't wish that imagery on any child, including the children forced to hold abortion signs.)

Abortion protest signs are not inappropriate or unethical. They are sounding the alarm about an incredible evil of vivisection and dismemberment. You would want no less to be done if someone breaks into your house tonight and takes a machete to you as you lie helpless in bed. The pictures are nauseating because of what the abortion mills do, not what the messengers holding the signs do. Getting mad at the messenger doens't change reality-- it only lets ostriches try to get away with burying their heads in the sand, and they only fool themselves until some guy with a machete sneaks up on them. So, suppressing the truth isn't a good idea.

I am so sorry for the death of your nephew. My family has been impacted by the actions of a pedophile as well. I understand your anger. You have every right to be angry with the Catholic church. But muddying the waters doesn't help. I'm not Catholic but I'm pretty sure that Church is not pro-pedophile.

That's why we have free speech which is to protect unpopular speech. Popular speech does not need protection. You cannot bend the constitution whenever the breeze blows in a certain direction.

"I'm pretty sure that Church is not pro-pedophile."

That seems like something you should be absolutely sure of, doesn't it?

If you are interested in the answer to that, you should do some digging. Not only into the current form of the church, but also its past. You may be rather disturbed by what you find.

Walt, my heart goes out to you and your family regarding this terrible tragedy. This is an example of evil running rampant in our society. Whomever harms a child needs to be punished and held accountable.
Please realize that the church itself is not evil~~you can check out the good they do throughout the entire world.
There are good and bad in all areas and walks of life.
For some, myself included, nothing is more evil than killing a defenseless human being who has no way to defend their own life and no voice to speak up for themself.

Rose has turned a blind eye to the abuses done in her name, and more importantly done with her financial support. However, this does not change the fact that they have actually been done.

Here is a database of all priests involved in the molesting of children. That giant page that will take you a few minutes to scroll through, is for those whose names end with the letter 'A'. Continue on through the rest of the entries, if you dare. You can even find the exact priests who belonged to this very church in Plainfield that are supporting this religious group and their signage. Hint: It will be under the last names starting with the letter 'G'.

http://bishop-accountability.org/priestdb/PriestDBbylastName-A.html

If you support this organization, you are just as culpable as those who did it. At one time, I belonged to the catholic church. When I reached the age of reason, and was able to look into its history of atrocities and its methodologies, I left immediately and never regretted it for a second. I want nothing to do with them.

No amount of whitewashing this, or ignoring it by trying to claim 'how much good they do' can make up for this behavior. What they have done, and are still doing is not an isolated incident, it is in fact a well orchestrated manner in which they promote this behavior internally, as well as protect those abusers from public justice.

Abortion protesters do not have a double standard. We condemn all kinds of evil, including what totally unjustly happened to your nephew. We prioritize protecting the babies, because they have no voice to speak up and no legs to walk away. They are tethered for their oxygen on an umbilical cord every second until they are born, and even then they are totally helpless. Sorry this won't bring your nephew back to life, but I think you realize that unborn and young born babies are the most helpless among us.

Where are all the pro-life people when criminals are being put to death by death penalty? You don't see pro-life people holding up signs with gruesome pictures when an adult is about to die via lethal injection.

"Protest the death penalty" is a bogus argument. Killing a guilty murderer is totally different as to motive from killing an innocent baby. It's OK to build a fire to keep warm, but it's not OK to build a fire to burn down your neighbor's house.

Just as I thought, Randy. You are not Pro-life as you claim. You are just anti-bortion.

What ever happened to life being so valuable. So it is you that gets to decide when a life is actually worth saving. Who made you God? You go on and on about how killing is wrong, but then you have so qualms about letting a criminal be put to death.
I am sorry but that is being a hypocrite.

Logansdad- There you go again with another bogus argument. Pro-life isn't blind, or hypocritical, as you try to pretend. Executing a murderer is totally justified because the murderer is guilty of murder. Butchering a helpless innocent baby is totally wrong because the baby is innocent. You are trying to fuzz over the difference between innocence and guilt (again) but fooling no one.

Are you standing on street corners doing the work you advocate? If you aren't, you are a hypocrite recommending activity you don't do yourself. Please show us a picture of you doing what you advocate, and then you'll have some credibility. In reality, all innocent people deserve protection, as you advocate whether you do it or not. Who is most deserving of all? The babies in the womb, because unlike most war victims they don't have legs to walk away from trouble. They are 100% passive, and 100% innocent, while the older people get (to a point) they tend to develop more and more personal guilt and more and more ability to walk away from trouble whether they do or not. So, the most priority with helping should go to the people who need it the most and are least able to help themselves.

So the work of pro-lifer can't be done in front of a church or clinic? It can't be done via a website or blog? If you want us to believe that pro-life work can only be accomplished out on a street corner holding up signs with gruesome images, you are not fooling anyone.

Pro-life work can be done on a street corner, in front of a church, in front of an abortion mill, or anywhere. Sometimes the best place to do it is: where the most people can see for themselves the barbaric cruelty of what abortion actually is. Of course, that bothers the babykillers who make huge profits killing kids. Murderers usually do want to cover up their crimes. I've seen abortions, and they only cost $10 to do with recycled surgical instruments and disposable paper gowns and masks. At hundreds of thousands of dollars per abortion, times a million or so abortions a year, the abortion lobby has plenty of money to buy off crooked politicians, crooked police, crooked judges, and crooked journalists to pump out denials and anesthesia for propaganda. Also, they have paid typists to try to peddle abortion's murderous lies on the Internet when virtually all pro-lifers (like me) are unpaid volunteers.

Thanks for the support. But, many people are too busy to search out the truth, so they can be helped with a little guidance. To see the horrible truth of abortion and let other people learn how awful it is, anybody can google "abortion pictures" including going straight to www.100abortionpictures.com or www.abortionno.org It is sickening how evil so many selfish people are, and it is up to civilized people to expose their murderous lies. It's always been that way, and is likely to remain so for thousands of years to come. As Edmund Burke said, evil triumphs when good men do nothing. So, we need to get cracking and do something.

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Jake-- if you think closed minded people should have been aborted, and if you are close minded enough to be done discussing, are you ever going to be consistent and abort yourself? No, because it would be a nonsensical thing to do. The abortion signs DO change minds, and they save babies' lives. For all you know, your mother was thinking of aborting you, and a pro-life sign or picture or discussion may be what changed her mind. I see it happen all the time-- when people get to thinking, which is what the pictures of abortion's horrors do, they realize they shouldn't go ahead and kill their innocent child. So, thank the pro-life people. Because they may have allowed you to be born in the first place.